relate to the hush payments michael: made to the 2015 campaign, and questions of illegal foreign donations to president trump's inaugural committee. also, a reporter looks at the trump administration's proposal to alter crewing -- clean -- clean water protections. watch c-span's washington journal live saturday morning. join the discussion. , discussion about the role of special counsel's widths can star, who served on the atwater and lewinsky investigations. the event is light at 2:00 eastern on c-span, c-span.org, or our free radio app. secretary of state mike pompeo and defense secretary james mattis held a joint news conference with their canadian counterparts after meeting at the state department.

they discussed north korea, the russia ukraine conflict, combating isis, and the new trade agreement. >> thank you all for being here with us today. secretary mattis and i are very pleased to welcome our canadian counterparts to washington. welcome. it was a great day and indeed it was my honor to host the state department to plus two strategic .ialogue and it's a great opportunity for us to have gotten serious work done. but it's also a discussion amongst friends. the force of gotten to know each other quite well. our meeting comes after the historic siding of the united states-mexico canada agreement, which was a tremendous victory.

i want to thank her for her efforts. the final deal is a home run. it modernizes nafta. it opens trade and business for universities farmers, reduce trade barriers amongst the three countries. in today's meeting, we continue to build off of this. take this achievement and make progress on a world wide range of bilateral issues. we discussed joint efforts to discuss -- i sure north america is vigorously protected by militaries. we also had a chance to discuss bilateral cooperation to discuss security, technology transfers, totheft, and other attempts -- technology. this enhances security. these joint efforts support a

effortensive training and millions of jobs. a range ofhrough global issues, as well. we talk about our work in collaboration with members of nato. we discuss a response to the situation in the ukraine. i expressed my concern of the see of as a where it opened fire on ukrainian vessels. we also had the important opportunity to discuss a shared commitment with improving security in iraq, where our nations made tremendous sacrifices in the name of freedom. i spoke to the importance of applying pressure to the iranian regime. it was great to talk about how we work closely together on north korea and i think my canadian counterparts for enforcing the security council resolutions and encourage other

countries to maintain pressure, as well. given the close relationship between the united states and canada, disagreements will undoubtedly arise. but our countries have always worked closely together to resolve these challenges, including through regular and open dialogue. i'm confident as rough patches emerge, we work through those challenges. i would like to turn things over to make a few remarks. >> thank you, mike. french]g hello everyone, and thank you for being here. i would like to thank secretary of state on pio and secretary of state mattis for their warm welcome today. kazakh and the u.s. has one of the closest relationship -- canada and the u.s. has one of the closest relationships in the world. on borderen allies

protection and international security, especially through nato and norad. i would like to thank our hosts for giving us the opportunity to meet here today and to further discuss the topics as well as other issues of common interest for our two countries. partners in closer the world than canada and the united states. we share the longest border and are the largest export market. since the second world war we have worked side by sizde to maintain order and fight for liberal democracy around the world. this meeting has been in the works for a while and it's been a pleasure to spend time with our colleagues to discuss the bilateral relationship and global challenges we are confronting together. as is always the case when we meet, we discuss issues around

foreign policy, defense, and international security that reflect the deeply shared values that unite our two countries. we discussed china, and in the case of huawei cfo, building on a conversation that secretary pompeo and i began soon after her arrest. the most important thing we can do is uphold the rule of law, ensure that her right to due process is respected, and the current judicial process in canada remains a political. we also discussed consular issues, two are very concerning for canada today, the detention of michael cohen greg and michael set for. on russia and ukraine, we expressed our condemnation of russia's harassment of the ukraine and its aggressive action toward an illegal seizure of three ukrainian vessels on november 25, and the

imprisonment of ukrainian sailors. we call on russia to release these sailors. canada supports the people of ukraine, its sovereignty, and territorial integrity. we touched on some hemispheric issues, including a brutal authoritarian regime causing a dangerous crisis in venezuela, as well as troubling developments in nicaragua. we reiterate our support for the united states efforts towards a denuclearize korean peninsula, and efforts in the sanctions. in an ever-changing global landscape, it's important countries are able to respond to violations of international order and targeted sanctions is key to this. canada and the u.s. have legislation and we discuss ways to work together closely in this area. as a founding member of nato, canada will do its part for transatlantic security.

my colleague will speak to some of the important work that we are doing alongside the u.s. and nato and as part of the global coalition. we spoke about our trading relationship and we talked about the fact we now have a modernized trade agreement for our continental. i do agree that this is a good deal for all three countries. i would be remiss if i didn't mention the fact that we did raise those bilateral issues. the u.s. position on steel and aluminum tariffs, canada continues to take the view that these terrorists are unjust and illegal, and we spoke to our partners about how the national security justification for these tariffs we believe is inconsistent with our close relationship. i met earlier with ambassador like kaiser and we also discussed the tariffs this

morning. relationship is a model with integration and creative elaboration on the world stage and today was a great opportunity to talk about how we can work together on our continental and around the world. i'd like to thank you again. canada deeply values and appreciates our partnership and opportunities to continue to work even closely together. and it is now my pleasure to introduce a tremendous public servant, great friend of canada, secretary mattis. >> thank you minister freeland, and i echoed secretary pompeius comment that ours was a discussion among friends. we saw each other eight days ago in ottawa and today's meeting signals how our two militaries work to stay closely aligned on

a range of issues worldwide. for americans enduring familiar kinship with canada and in my case, it is familial. in a canadian infantry. canadian and american forces have fought bravely alongside each other in the great war at normandy following the 9/11 attack on our country. today we continue our cooperation in pursuit of our mutual security. the air defense command were canadian and u.s. fighters together disguised about north america and our 360 million people. and standted in nato with european allies against the full scope of russia maligned influence to include moscow's brazen contempt of international law in the cursor straight and action against the ukrainian

people. canadian any u.k. training and the baltics represent our combined efforts to promote stability and deter evocative activity. canada and united states are united insecurity because we are united in democracy and democracies stick together for the common defense. we focus on enhancing our strong cooperation in the number of areas you've heard about, from military sales to sanctions coordination. i'm grateful for canada's --dership in enforcing sanctions that support the denuclearization of north korea. we affirm the need to fight against isis and maintain support to partners in iraq and -- an approach endorsed by 16 nations we met with an ottawa. isise evolving our defeat

coalition because we must not fall into complacency. they are a strong terrorist enemy. americanslast month observed veterans day. name, wehatever the share our battlefield sacrifices. the maple leaf and stars and stripes have flown side-by-side. come what may, i'm confident canada and the united states will continue to work shoulder to shoulder now and in the future. my friend, the floor is yours. >> thank you, secretary mattis and thank you secretary pompeo for the old. secretary mattis and i also .hare an understanding we are both from the west coast, as well, which he reminded me of. as my colleague said, we have

had productive meetings to discuss shared defense priorities. the united states is canada's most important ally and defense partner. our relationship is long-standing, deeply entrenched, and multifaceted. it was our relationship forged on the battlefield side-by-side. it is rooted in shared geography, common values, historic connections, and highly integrated economies. it is unique in the levels of integration and military to military cooperations at all levels and across the globe. canadian forces and united states military stand shoulder to shoulder to defend our citizens. norad is the most notable example of this. we've been working together for over 60 years since its inception to protect north america against current and future threats. our militaries are highly interruptible. we are constantly learning from each other.

we provide collective transatlantic defense through nato. we are participating in multinational efforts to enforce sanctions against north korea. at the u.n. command in korea, canada is the second largest contributor for the u.s. earlier this year, general air became the first canadian to hold a post of deputy commander. last week, as secretary mattis said, canada cohosted the counter isis meeting in ottawa, and we discussed the next steps to ensure the lasting defeat of daesh and its networks. canada remains committed to the coalition. this is evident through our operation impact and leadership through the nato training mission in iraq. canada also supports ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity in the face of russian aggression. we've trained more than 10,000 -- ukrainian soldiers. at any given time, we have about

over 800 female forces members, and they are supporting nato deterrents measures in eastern and central europe alongside american allies. leading thenada is battlefield in latvia and poland, and we have extended this meeting by four years. isthe pacific region, canada engaged in raw projection and working with the u.s. and other partners. ladies and gentlemen, these are just a few of the examples of the depth and breadth of the canada u.s. defense partnership. our cooperation offers both countries later -- greater securities and we will always remain strong allies and partners and even better friends. thank you. >> we now have time for a few questions. we would ask each reporter to please limit your question to one, and no follow-ups please.

for the first question, i would like to call on the bbc. >> a question to the secretaries of state and defense. , yesterday the senate voted to withdraw troops from yemen and the u.s. military involvement there, and to unanimously sensor been someone as responsible for the jamal khashoggi killing. what is the response? what action will you take? and can you afford to ignore this? and to the canadian foreign minister, are you concerned that president trump's comments linking trade and the huawei case suggest the perception that canada is acting on the americans behalf in a trade war? and are you worried that canada is becoming collateral damage in what is trade tension between china and the united states? because china has arrested

canadians. but on the other hand, it has agreed to suspend iteris on u.s. cars -- suspended tariffs on u.s. cars. >> perhaps i will begin. we certainly have great respect for what the legislative branch does, and we are in constant contact with members on capitol hill so we understand there concerns and do our level best to articulate why our policies are what they are and in how we can ensure we are getting the right policy to keep our country safe. we will certainly do that in the light of yesterday's vote. president trump been very clear about the importance, not only importance of holding accountable oaks of who murdered jamal khashoggi, but the importance of protecting american citizens. hundreds of thousands of people iranians have killed have been involved all across the middle east. thee is real risk that iranians and excellence of devices have killed hundreds of american soldiers. president trump is determined to

make sure we protect america, all the while holding accountable those who committed the murder of jamal khashoggi. >> i don't want to repeat what the secretary said. but besides that vote yesterday in the senate, which we respect, there was also progress announced by the u.n. secretary-general in stockholm to end the war, which required our engagement with all the politics -- all parties and a strategic approach in ending the war that has gone on too long. ok, when it comes to the case of the detention of miss ming, canada is a rule of law country. we believe in honoring our international treaty commitment and in respecting the rule of law and due process in our own country. duehe case of miss ming, process and rule of law in canada has been scrupulously

followed. there has been no political interference in this process. it's a important for canada that miss ming be treated with full respect and begin full access -- it be given full access of due process in canada. she has currently been by the decision of the canadian judge, released on bail. comes to the rule of law and due process in canada, including extradition matters, canada understands that the rule of law and extradition issues ought not ever to be politicized or used as tools to resolve other issues. and that is the very clear position, which canada expresses to all of its partners.

it's the position to which i have explained particularly with regard to rule of law and canada, in a conversation with the chinese ambassador to canada earlier this week. it's in issue which all of us discussed today. i do finally want to say, because you mentioned the two canadians who are detained in china, it's really important to remember these are human beings. minister, i think for me and for the prime minister, there are no issues that touch us more personally and immediately than the detention of canadians outside our country. we're very, very seized of the issue. we're very concerned about these two canadians, and that is a concern that we discussed in our meeting today. [speaking french]

>> he can answer in french and english after. madam, do you have the impression currently that canada is paying a heavy price for having been involved in this huawei case? and having charged the cfo of huawei, and some of our citizens have been arrested in china. do you have the impression that you're being used currently, and are being stuck between the united states and china in this trade war against your will? and you are being used politically currently by the united states? agreement in complete with the question the way it was phrased. because, for canada, it was not it detention of miss ming,

was not a political decision on canada's part. it was a matter of following the rules. of obligations on the part of canada to follow through with its obligations under international agreements. canada follows the rule of law. canada follows rules. it is very important. especially when there's a lot of idea of on the very democracy in the world. when there's a lot of pressure on international order. will continue to follow the rules. this is a strong position of our governments. by the same token, it is also

thatimportant for canada extradition agreements are not used for political purposes. canada does not do it that way. and i believe that it is obvious that democratic countries, such as our partner the u.s., do the same. today, we talked about our shared values. and one of them is the fact that both countries, the u.s. and canada, our countries that follow the rule of law, and follow rules in general. i don't entirely agree with the framing of the christian -- the question. canada, in the detaining of miss ming, was not making a political

agenda. there was no political interference in this issue at all. for canada, this is a question of living up to our international treaty obligations and following the rule of the in canada. and that is something that has happened scrupulously. canada is a rule of law country. we discussed a little bit in our opening remarks how canada and the united states are countries with deeply shared democratic values. those bodies include the fact that in both countries, we have a deep regard for the rule of law and strong and independent judiciary. i think that's one of the reasons canada and the united states feel comfortable with the existence of an exhibition treaty between our two countries. -- extradition treaty between our two countries. having said that, canada is clearly of the view that the extradition process is a criminal justice process. this is not a tool that should

be used for politicized ends. >> you didn't ask me, but if i may on going to answer. thank you, thank you [laughter] i can't say much about the process because we have a u.s. judicial process that is underway. i can say this. the unlawful detention of two canadian citizens is unacceptable. they ought to be returned. the knot states has stood for that, whether they are our citizens or citizens of other nations. we ask all nations to treat citizens properly. and the detention of these two citizens ought to end. >> cnn. >> thank you, mr. secretary. i'd like to follow-up on your remarks just now. it does seem like china is using these two, the detention of these two canadian citizens as

kind of a bargaining chip on the trade talks between the u.s. and china. i think the minister a loaded to that when she suggested that these detentions are concerning and should be politicized do you think that's what china is doing here? and are you concerned that, with president trump's suggestion he might be willing to get involved in this other case of miss ming and canada, that further puts canada and a difficult situation, and puts canada in the middle of your trade dispute with china? thank you very much. >> i think that's the same question that was asked previously. i don't think that's how i see it. the knot states is engaged in an exhibition process. miss mink travel to canada. pendingsed her on bail, extradition hearing. continue to engage through legal processes to get

the just outcome that's connected to the. we have a set of trade discussions that are ongoing with the chinese. as the chinese have said, we're working on that while all the other issues, we have lots of competition issues with china all around the world. and we work on each of those to get good outcomes for the people of the united states of america and respecting the rule of law. we will do that here, as well. mauro, question, adrian global mail. >> thank you. minister, sorry mr. freeland, is clear these two canadians have purely been detained as chinese retaliation to the huawei association. why want you knowledge that directly? and how is our ambassador doing in beijing. secretary pompeo, is there anything the u.s. is going to do to lean on china to get them to

release the people that has been detained given that president trump appears to have a relationship with president xi? is it something he will do to help canada get these guys back? >> let me go first. we are going to work to get every citizen unlawfully detained returned to the countries to which they have a very right to go back to. we do this in cases of our own people. it's something that weighs on those of us who served, to make sure our citizens do have the opportunity to be returned home to their family. we will do it in this case, as well. >> thank you for that. so adrian, i have spoken this week with the chinese ambassador to canada, and we've had many contacts with chinese authorities. chinese officials in their contact with canada have not drawn a connection between these different issues. theseanada's perspective,

kinds of issues ought never to be confused with one another. ming, detention of miss canada was, as i've said, acting scrupulously in line with our treaty commitments and in line with the rule of law. and as mike has said, the next step, while miss ming is on bail in vancouver, is for a canadian court and canadian judges to rule on whether the extradition is warranted or not. citizens, wenadian will always advocate strongly and fiercely for canadian citizens when they are detained abroad. mr. couric and mr. set for, our immediate concern has been to gain consular access to them and to understand what the charges are being put on them by the chinese

authorities. and we are advocating for them very, very aggressively. they are able not to see and speak with him. we're glad that that could happen. i've spoken also to family members of both men, and i just want to say and reassure all canadians, but especially the family and friends of them, this is a huge priority for our government. we are extremely seized of this issue. we care for, we fight for all canadians detained abroad. and as mike said, all people fairly -- unfairly detained abroad. but we have a specific duty to canadians and we fight for everybody. mr. couric is also an employee of my department.

he's well-known to many departments and that makes it especially personal for us. you know what? privacyg to respect his and the privacy of his family. we've shared with his family details of the meeting. >> thank you all for attending today. that concludes our press conference. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

>> when the new congress takes office in january, it will have the youngest most diverse freshman class in history. new congress, new leaders. watch it live on c-span starting january 3. the son of the last shot of iran spoke recently about the role of civil disobedience and the impact foreign governments could have on the process. the washington center for near east policy hosted the event.

>> they have employed anti-americanism as the guiding principle in its uncompromising foreign policy. the national community responding through both appeasement and pressure has been distinctly unsuccessfully in prompting a change in tech ron's regional behavior. -- has managed to threaten the viability of the regime. today, the washington institute is pleased to host former crown prince to discuss the current state of regime in iran and the process for political change. he's a prominent seeker and

consistently called for replacing iran's regime with a secular liberal democracy. please join me in welcoming him. [applause] good afternoon. thank you for your introduction. todayry happy to be here and i express my gratitude to the washington institute for hosting this discussion. organizations like the washington institute continue to play a critical role in advancing scholarship and understanding regarding the modern middle east. the contributions to foreign policy can be particularly meaningful, especially through some of the more turbulent periods in our region. i would like to begin by invoking a popular protest

slogan that is heard often these days in universities, factories, mosques, and streets across iran. i quote my compatriots. "our enemy is right here. they lie when they say it's america. perhaps no other rallying cry committee kits more effectively iran's wholesale rejection of the islamic republic. from its inception in 1979, the islamic republic saw two -- soft to revert iran from its ideological and economic security interests. it changed our century-old flag and suppressed our ancient traditions. it purged our universities and persecuted or killed our artists. it's institutionalized inequality and discrimination based on religion and gender. it destroyed the very soil, air,

and water that comprises iran in the physical sense. and it's plundered voraciously, stealing our people's private property, appropriating major iranian businesses, and siphoning off revenue for trade in our national resources. with wealth taken from the iranian people, the regime worked to spread its brand of hate and destruction throughout the region and to cause instability and conflict worldwide. it established paramilitary organizations and other nonstate actors to serve as proxies for the destabilization and subversion of our nature -- neighbors. if threaten the world with a nuclear program the left hundreds of thousands of muslims dead and made millions of others

refugees. and they sponsored and conducted terrorism, killing countless innocents in the middle east, europe, south america, and the united states. thankfully, its two most recent foreign terror attempts were uncovered. the islamic republic took on our nation hostage. at least until now, it has survived, but only through fear, repression, and violence. but iran and iranians have had enough. in the face of seemingly in an -- insurmountable obstacles and untold risks, the iranian people opened a new era of opposition to the regime. in towns and cities across iran, every day they are confronting it tirelessly and courageously.

through public protests, labor strikes and in numeral asks of civil disobedience, they are expressing rejection of every element and faction. they want their freedom, their dignity, and their country back. community,rnational the promise of my compatriots' movements represents an historic opportunity to achieve an enduring solution to the numerous threats emerging from the republic. in fact, this is an opportunity to transform the middle east because a democratic iran will be representative of its people and a representative iran would be a different force outside its borders. consider whether a democratic iran would promote she had politics, prop up terrorist

organizations like hezbollah, hamas or the hoodies, facilitate shameful mass murdering of syrians, or threaten israel with instruction. of course not. a representative iranian government would reflect the culture of iran and the feelings of aspirations of its people. a vision in iran that works closely with its arab neighbors to stamp out terrorism and extremism in the region. israelicomes scientists to help with the water crisis. that embraces investment in the boundless potential of its economy. that shares its most brilliant minds with the great centers of learning and development in the west. music, ands art and that honors the country spirit of love and tradition of friendship to foreign nations.

again, i point to the actions and words of my compatriots. in universities and iran, students sidestep or leak over american and this is remarkable and a moving illustration of iranian goodwill. in their protests, my compatriots chant syria and palestine are the reason for our misery. leave syria alone. .either for gaza nor lebanon only for iran. we may die, we may die, but we've will reclaim iran. years, i have worked toward the single objective. builtlar democratic iran on the pillars of human rights and the rule of law.

poses insisted the summit an essential threat to iran and its people and the republic cannot be were the islamist republic cannot be reformed. i have been steadfast that the secular democratic iran may be achieved only through a nonviolent means. i have been unwavering in my faith they iranian people can and will be the principal agents of this change. attention andnal support remains critical. dr. martin luther king is one of my personal heroes. as i worked to build international support for the iranian people struggle, i recall his favorite -- famous covenant that we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. makeat vein, i want to clear that the iranian struggle

should not be viewed through the prism of domestic partisan politics in this or any other democratic nation. this is a struggle about human dignity and deliberation and it deserves equal and unqualified support across the democratic political spectrum. at no time in its almost 40 year republic beenis as vulnerable and a popular as it is today. foreign policy toward iran should be mindful of the reality that my compatriots are aesently in the throes of national struggle to reclaim iran from the islamic rep -- republic. my focus is on guiding the process of change so that its outcome is secular, democratic, and lasting. thank you very much. [applause]

>> thank you again for giving us the opportunity on this issue. [inaudible] >> many people agree that he was -- in converging old political dissidents and opposition groups

andwere working against, led to the revolution and succeeded. can be0 years, what drawn from his political experience as a leader? >> first of all, i think we cannot compare what the circumstances and climate was -- >> sorry. [laughter] on?t let's not forget also that one of the key factors that

transcended the individual was the element of religion. something that despite 14 centuries of the islamic religion in our country, was not quite understood the way people understand it now. it had to come to an actual inquisition of the islamic kind for people to understand the importance of secularism and the context of separation from religion as a prerequisite to equality and democracy. mouhoumani did bring an ideology and political islam and what the faith was supposed to be like, and after 40 years of suffering under this dominant religious ideology, i think they -- iranians today are at the end of a tunnel. what will bring us to change is

not the work of just a few individuals, but it takes a whole village so to speak to bring this about. iranians today, particularly when i look at the younger generation, are far more proactive in knowing that in order to achieve everything, you can no longer sit back and expect one person or entity to do everything. it takes a lot of us to bring about this change. every once in a while, someone plays roles in terms of leadership and guidance, of course necessary, it is certainly helpful, but it is not limited to that. houmani was able to be the agent of contradiction to the status quo. the opposition thought at the time, let's get rid of the shah and see what happens. what we see today when discussing the future of iran is to say it is not just enough to say we don't want this regime anymore, but what do we want instead?

this time, understanding fully what we want to achieve, what will take to achieve that and most importantly, and as you all know, iran is very diverse in terms of its political spectrum, left, right, monarchists, republicans, federalists, what have you. the majority of secular democrats and understand today, our job is to find out what is more important? our priority in terms of our national interests, the common denominator of all these diverse groups, or is it going to be the game that the regime has tried to impose on us all these years and force the secondary issue of ideological debate between one aspiration or another, forgetting about the most important issue of our national interest. this is what it is all about. back then, nobody was worried about participation. nobody knew what the islamic regime was supposed to be like. by the time they realized, it

was too late. this time, we want to do it clearly using our own political historic experience as well as other countries that finally overcame the hurdle of dealing with totalitarian systems and understand what is the benefit of replacing it and with what, and why it is we need to be committed to it? yes, i think today, the situation requires the participation of a multitude of actors, player. we each have a role to play. including yours truly. isthe islamic ideology similar to communism in the fact that communism was an idea which was born in europe, but was realized in russia. the idea of islamic government was born in egypt by the muslim brotherhood, but was realized in that is proudntry

of its pre-islamic identity. how do you explain that? >> i think iran was the best platform for launching this missile at the free world by houmani against our immediate neighbors and around the world. he could have done it from syria or iraq, but iran presented all the means necessary to be at the service, unfortunately, of this imposed ideology. imposed ideology. i want to say something that i think is more important for all of us today to understand them as something that around the world -- understand, something that around the world remains the issue. the dominance of any ideology, religious or otherwise, is a recipe for disaster. we saw it in the case for communism in the soviet union. we clearly see it in the case of

iran. i tell muslims in the region, how do you explain that muslims are much freesr living in canada and the u.s. then in their own so-called muslim countries? it -- countries? what is the difference here? the answer is simple. a guaranteed by the constitution of freedom of religion is one of the liberties people have. [applause] that doesn't exist in iran today. today, if you are behind, you can't study. if you convert to christianity, they will execute you. you don't even have the basic circumstances where a sunni kurd can have his own mosque to clear a -- to pray in. there is discrimination of the worst possible kind, including women. whether it is their ethnicity, their religious beliefs, their sexual orientation or political

ideology, what is going to give the iranian people in the future guarantee of equality under the law and eliminating any formal -- form of discrimination while guaranteeing maximizing participation? it can only be a secular, democratic system, period. that is why people gravitate toward getting rid of this regime and why you cannot attain democracy without putting an end to this regime. secular,o you mean by because iran is known for its and we saw this backlash establishmentnd of the islamist republic, so what do you think broader

secularism -- secularism could be in future iran? >> it is important for those aspirations,s devout muslims in this case, being secular does not mean you are anti-religious. did europe lose christianity after the inquisition? of course not. --ular values guarantee cannot be done with one that has ideology superiority over another religion or faith. it goes without saying. that is what people have learned under this regime. if you talk to people today. if you talk to traditional clerics who were never part of this regime. people like ayatollah -- their different from what was imposed on iran. i don't think even within our religious establishment that the traditional clergy have any